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pakistan at war with itself. by "washington post" correspondent pamela constable dell ofs into all of this. and joins us now, it is good to you have with us. >> thank you so much. >> woodruff: a provocative title, playing with fire, pakistan at wore with itself. what dow mean by that? >> it mean bes-- many layers of meaning in that. playing with fire in the sense that pakistan has always flirted with dangerous notions. it's always sort of had this nuanced subtle, denied unclear relationship with all these militant groups mostly because they want us to use them as proxies against india which is their long-term adversary but now it has come back to haunt them and many of these same militant islamic groups that they sort of thought they could manage or handle have gotten way out of control and not only moving against afghanistan but in many cases turning against the pakistani state itself. >> you spent a lot of time in the country reporting from there, pam constable. the feeling many ode pakistanies have for the tal
pakistan at war with itself. by "washington post" correspondent pamela constable dell ofs into all of this. and joins us now, it is good to you have with us. >> thank you so much. >> woodruff: a provocative title, playing with fire, pakistan at wore with itself. what dow mean by that? >> it mean bes-- many layers of meaning in that. playing with fire in the sense that pakistan has always flirted with dangerous notions. it's always sort of had this nuanced subtle,...
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raid that killed osama bin laden inside pakistan. reports in britain now say former prime minister gordon brown was one of the victims of phone hacking by a tabloid newspaper "news of the world". the rupert murdoch media conglomerate has closed the paper. and it delayed efforts today to take over another company, british sky broadcasting or, b- sky-b. we have a report from gary gibbon of "independent television news." >> reporter: gordon brown wooed the murdoch empire like the best of them. but they turned on him, backing david cameron in the last election. today, he turned on them. gordon brown believes his phone and that of his wife may have been hacked into by the "news of the world." he believes someone working on behalf of the "sunday times" accessed his bank account and he believes his son's medical records were obtained by the "sun" newspaper. >> that they had information that fraser had cystic fibrosis which was a matter that they the family were just getting their heads around at the time and dealing with. >> reporter: it wa
raid that killed osama bin laden inside pakistan. reports in britain now say former prime minister gordon brown was one of the victims of phone hacking by a tabloid newspaper "news of the world". the rupert murdoch media conglomerate has closed the paper. and it delayed efforts today to take over another company, british sky broadcasting or, b- sky-b. we have a report from gary gibbon of "independent television news." >> reporter: gordon brown wooed the murdoch empire...
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raid into pakistan that led to the killing of osama bin laden. you also would do away with, in essence, the c.i.a. why did you oppose the raid and what would you put in the place of it? >> well, the question to me was i was just saying it could be done differently. i mean, all this does was raise questions and i predicted that this would lead to a lot of resentment and think of the chaos in pakistan and the mess that we have. we both bomb them and give them money and people hate their own government because their own government's a puppet of ours. my frustration with bin laden was it took so long. >> woodruff: and the c.i.a., you would.... >> couric: i don't think the c.i.a. should be a military arm of the government dropping bombs secretly. you can't even separate the two. you don't even know who is controlling the bombing of this country now. >> woodruff: a couple questions about your campaign. you have a son who was elected to the united states senate rand paul from the state of kentucky. this is your third try for president. there was some ta
raid into pakistan that led to the killing of osama bin laden. you also would do away with, in essence, the c.i.a. why did you oppose the raid and what would you put in the place of it? >> well, the question to me was i was just saying it could be done differently. i mean, all this does was raise questions and i predicted that this would lead to a lot of resentment and think of the chaos in pakistan and the mess that we have. we both bomb them and give them money and people hate their own...
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that's happened, for instance, in pakistan with a man named umar, a columnist, who was abducted and sexually assaulted. he was sodomized in retribution for his writing. >> warner: a lot of these victims at least the women, have never told their stories before to anyoee other than friends or family. why not? >> there are a number of reasons. the biggest one i heard from international correspondents was the fear of losing assignments. i have spoken to at least two journalists that told me that they were taken off assignments specifically because they came forward to talk about their sexual assault. so it really does happen. they don't want to be appear to be weak or vulnerable. women told me repeatedly that they had worked very hard to overcome this sense that they were the weaker gender in this profession and that them didn't feel that they could reveal that they had been raped without it making them look somehow more vulnerable.çç there are also.... >> warner: what about the local reporters? what were usually their reason for not saying anything? >> a lot of different cultural stigmas. sa
that's happened, for instance, in pakistan with a man named umar, a columnist, who was abducted and sexually assaulted. he was sodomized in retribution for his writing. >> warner: a lot of these victims at least the women, have never told their stories before to anyoee other than friends or family. why not? >> there are a number of reasons. the biggest one i heard from international correspondents was the fear of losing assignments. i have spoken to at least two journalists that...
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these the first attacks here since gunmen from pakistan laid siege to the city in 2008. the authorities were taken by surprise. nobody has claimed responsibility for the attacks, although security experts say a domestic group-- the indian mughadeen are prime suspects. few here can see the point of it. "what do we tell our children," said this man. "they think these adults are mad." why kill innocent people? tonight, security has been ramped up across the nation and the police now better trained and resourced than they were a few years ago, but there are no shortage of targets in a country of 1.2 billion. >> sreenivasan: mumbai is india's financial capital and home to its movie industry as well. u.s. stocks turned lower today after federal reserve chairman ben bernanke played down talk of new stimulus moves. he had said yesterday that the fed was ready to act, if the economy gets worse. today, he emphasized that he expects things to improve, albeit slowly. in response, the dow jones industrial average lost 54 points to close at 12,437. the nasdaq fell 34 points to close a
these the first attacks here since gunmen from pakistan laid siege to the city in 2008. the authorities were taken by surprise. nobody has claimed responsibility for the attacks, although security experts say a domestic group-- the indian mughadeen are prime suspects. few here can see the point of it. "what do we tell our children," said this man. "they think these adults are mad." why kill innocent people? tonight, security has been ramped up across the nation and the...
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we'll look at the status of the debt talks, and talk to journalist pam constable about her new book on pakistan. i'm judy woodruff. >> lehrer: and i'm jim lehrer. "washington week" can be seen later this evening on most pbs stations. we'll see you online, and again here monday evening. have a nice weekend. thank you and good night. major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by: chevron. we may have more in common than you think. >> and by the bill and melinda gates foundation. dedicated to the idea that all people deserve the chance to live a healthy, productive life. >> and with the ongoing support of these institutions and foundations. and... this program was made possible by the corporation for public broadcasting. and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. captioning sponsored by macneil/lehrer productions captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org
we'll look at the status of the debt talks, and talk to journalist pam constable about her new book on pakistan. i'm judy woodruff. >> lehrer: and i'm jim lehrer. "washington week" can be seen later this evening on most pbs stations. we'll see you online, and again here monday evening. have a nice weekend. thank you and good night. major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by: chevron. we may have more in common than you think. >> and by the bill and melinda...
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in pakistan, intelligence officials reported u.s. drone aircraft, firing missiles, killed at least 42 suspected militants in less than 24 hours. four missile strikes targeted sites in tribal areas near the afghan border, beginning late monday night. u.s. and pakistani relations have been increasingly tense since the raid that killed osama bin laden. a u.s. army ranger was awarded the nation's highest military award, the medal of honor, today for heroism in afghanistan. during a fight in 2008, sergeant first class leroy petry was shot in both legs and lost his right hand when he tried to throw back an enemy grenade. his actions saved two other rangers. president obama presented the medal at a white house ceremony this afternoon. later, outside the white house, petry said all of the troops serving overseas are heroes. >> whenever you have a chance or opportunity to thank them, check them, give them a pat on the back for the job they've done because they've earned it. that's the british award any service member can get is just a simple
in pakistan, intelligence officials reported u.s. drone aircraft, firing missiles, killed at least 42 suspected militants in less than 24 hours. four missile strikes targeted sites in tribal areas near the afghan border, beginning late monday night. u.s. and pakistani relations have been increasingly tense since the raid that killed osama bin laden. a u.s. army ranger was awarded the nation's highest military award, the medal of honor, today for heroism in afghanistan. during a fight in 2008,...
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there is a route that comes through these areas, coming from pakistan into afghanistan. most of them are used for commerce. and this goes farther into the larger cities. but they also use this to bring in a equipment to tackle the coalition forces. this is the biggest city in the area, with the most local populace. this is a center for trade and commerce in the area. and these provinces where nato has not had much of a presence until quite recently, these are the border provinces that only began getting a large number of troops in the past year. the population is not very friendly to the coalition. so the population will harbor fighters for the taliban, and they will hold weapons for them and are aware of taliban movements. the approach for this province is to target, in a sense, the civilian populations. not with violence, but when they need intelligence -- you have to visit houses. you have to march out to where they are concentrated, to start knocking on doors, demanding to be let in. they will break the door down. but you knock on the door, trying to be as friendly a
there is a route that comes through these areas, coming from pakistan into afghanistan. most of them are used for commerce. and this goes farther into the larger cities. but they also use this to bring in a equipment to tackle the coalition forces. this is the biggest city in the area, with the most local populace. this is a center for trade and commerce in the area. and these provinces where nato has not had much of a presence until quite recently, these are the border provinces that only...
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>>shepard: this cannot be go for already strained relations with pakistan and the united states. >>reporter: they are at a low point. the united states suspended $800 million in military aid to pakistan and osama bin laden was living in pakistan and an embarrassment to pakistani whose resent the united states for not notifying them first, so, this does not help. >>shepard: thank you, steve, from washington. a woman says she missed the first ten weeks of her child's life because of a mistake by state investigators. and she says it started with a salad. imagine this: you have a child, a brand new baby, and for 75 days they give that baby to someone else. also, the heat across the country so severity is causing roads to buckle. it's summer. but we hear this is not just another july day. this is nasty. [ tires squeal ] an accidendoesn't have to slow you down. with better car replacement, available only from liberty mutual insurance, the money to buy a car that's one model-year newer with 15,000 fewer miles on it. there's no other auto insurance product like it. better car replacement
>>shepard: this cannot be go for already strained relations with pakistan and the united states. >>reporter: they are at a low point. the united states suspended $800 million in military aid to pakistan and osama bin laden was living in pakistan and an embarrassment to pakistani whose resent the united states for not notifying them first, so, this does not help. >>shepard: thank you, steve, from washington. a woman says she missed the first ten weeks of her child's life...
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part pressure to get pakistan to do more. part retaliation because pakist pakistan threw out a lot of army trainers after the u.s. killed osama bin laden. it's because they threw out these trainers they can't have this aid because you really comes as a package deal. u.s. personnel on the ground. you have to play, if you want us to pay, don. >> so, elise, how serious is this riff between afghanistan and islam bad? >> it's gradually decreasing. a lot for fit for tat and what is going to happen next now that the u.s. reduced this aid. what are the pakistanis going to do? the u.s. is already very concerned that it can't trust the pakistani military and the pakistani intelligence with the information they're giving them about the milmilitants. so, a big concern right now and you'll see a lot of the u.s. going it alone, such as these drone strikes. >> could this backfire and limit u.s. leverage over pakistan on counterterrorism cooperation? >> it certainly could, but things are pretty bad as they are. i think the calculation by u.s
part pressure to get pakistan to do more. part retaliation because pakist pakistan threw out a lot of army trainers after the u.s. killed osama bin laden. it's because they threw out these trainers they can't have this aid because you really comes as a package deal. u.s. personnel on the ground. you have to play, if you want us to pay, don. >> so, elise, how serious is this riff between afghanistan and islam bad? >> it's gradually decreasing. a lot for fit for tat and what is going...
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can't get to pakistan if pakistan won't allow its personnel on the ground. because that aid and the personnel come as a package deal. >> okay. now you know there's less aid going to pakistan. you have to wonder what kind of trust or eroded trust might there be now between pakistan and the u.s. to work together from here on out? >> it's really bad. there's been a lot of tit for tat after that raid on bin laden. then the pakistanis threw out the american trainers denying the visas. now the u.s. is withholding aid. you've got to wonder, as you said, what is this going to mean, this continued tit for tat? in the past in previous years when the u.s. has withheld aid, it's been very bad. you've seen a lot of drone strikes against pakistan without pakistani cooperation. sometimes they do cooperate. but now i think you're going to see a lot of the u.s. kind of going it alone as it sends a message to pakistan as it did after 9/11. you're either with us or against us and you have to play if we're going to pay, basically. >> thanks so much from washington. appreciate t
can't get to pakistan if pakistan won't allow its personnel on the ground. because that aid and the personnel come as a package deal. >> okay. now you know there's less aid going to pakistan. you have to wonder what kind of trust or eroded trust might there be now between pakistan and the u.s. to work together from here on out? >> it's really bad. there's been a lot of tit for tat after that raid on bin laden. then the pakistanis threw out the american trainers denying the visas....
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and pakistan as well. >> that's right. it's a very -- the word you keep hearing from officials, kyra, is complicated. we have a very complicated relationship with pakistan. and there is some element here. you know, that old saying about don't cut off your nose to spite your face, because we're giving them the money to go after the militants and insurgents that the united states has a vested interest in seeing captured or killed. but the relationship, obviously, is very difficult on both sides, because here at home, you have political pressure from congress. as part of the new defense spending bill, the secretary of defense and the secretary of state have to sort of write a report on exactly where this money is going before congress sort of loosens the purse strings and authorizes that money to go to pakistan. and on their side, their military was humiliated by that bin laden raid. there's a lot of pressure on the pakistan side to sort of stand firm and be tough with the u.s. at this point. >> interesting to see what develo
and pakistan as well. >> that's right. it's a very -- the word you keep hearing from officials, kyra, is complicated. we have a very complicated relationship with pakistan. and there is some element here. you know, that old saying about don't cut off your nose to spite your face, because we're giving them the money to go after the militants and insurgents that the united states has a vested interest in seeing captured or killed. but the relationship, obviously, is very difficult on both...
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-pakistan relations rockier. but first we get the latest to debt crisis back and forth from a gang member -- gap of six member, rather. senator mike crapo. my cream is what makes stouffer's fettuccini alfredo so delicious. i think you'll find it's the vegetables. deliciously rich. flavorful! [ female announcer ] together at last. introducing new stouffer's farmers' harvest with sides of lightly sauteed farm-picked vegetables. find more ways to get to the table at letsfixdinner.com. is non-stop to seattle? just carry new preparation h totables. discreet, little tubes packed with big relief. from the brand doctors recommend most by name. new preparation h totables. the anywhere preparation h. >> bret: members of the so-called bipartisan gang of six today stood before a group of their fellow senators briefing them on the work they've done so far toward a debt deal. idaho senator mike crapo is one of them. he joins us here in studio. good evening, senator. >> good evening. >> bret: let's start first of all with a bro
-pakistan relations rockier. but first we get the latest to debt crisis back and forth from a gang member -- gap of six member, rather. senator mike crapo. my cream is what makes stouffer's fettuccini alfredo so delicious. i think you'll find it's the vegetables. deliciously rich. flavorful! [ female announcer ] together at last. introducing new stouffer's farmers' harvest with sides of lightly sauteed farm-picked vegetables. find more ways to get to the table at letsfixdinner.com. is non-stop...
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pakistan, not happy. now, not long after that, pakistan threw out all of the meamerican and british military trainers working with the armed forces, the u.s. this time. not happy. last week, mike mullen accused the government knowing all about the murder of a journalist critical of the government. pakistan denies that and isn't happy. fast forward -- the white house confirms $800 million, more than a third here, a third of the united states annual anti-terrorism aid package to pakistan will be stopped. this is how president obama's chief of staff describes the relationship. and i want you to listen very closely for one word, bill dailey uses more than once. >> complicated relationship and a very difficult complicated part of the world. there's still a lot of pain that the political system in pakistan is feeling by virtue of the raid that we did to get osama bin laden. something that the president felt strongly about. we have no regrets over. but the pakistani relationship is difficult but it must be made
pakistan, not happy. now, not long after that, pakistan threw out all of the meamerican and british military trainers working with the armed forces, the u.s. this time. not happy. last week, mike mullen accused the government knowing all about the murder of a journalist critical of the government. pakistan denies that and isn't happy. fast forward -- the white house confirms $800 million, more than a third here, a third of the united states annual anti-terrorism aid package to pakistan will be...
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pakistan withholding $800 million in promised military aid to pakistan. the zus not happy with what you're doing. what do you do about it? >> first old all, i don't think that's a correct characterization. it includes $300 million in reimbursements that have just been slowed down. we haven't received a reimbursement since december 2010. so basically, it's just something that's already slow, having been slowed down more. the fact is that -- >> are you saying this is not a big deal? $800 million of aids has been suspended. >> both sides are working together on a number of things and pakistan is not happy with the pace of delivery of assistance. americans are not happy with the pace of delivery of certain deliverables from pakistan. it happens sometimes. right now because pakistan is a fledgling democracy and everything that happens there hits the media and there's an american domestic political context in which everything becomes an issue because of the way people react to your administration. this has become -- >> the reaction in pakistan to the u.s. decis
pakistan withholding $800 million in promised military aid to pakistan. the zus not happy with what you're doing. what do you do about it? >> first old all, i don't think that's a correct characterization. it includes $300 million in reimbursements that have just been slowed down. we haven't received a reimbursement since december 2010. so basically, it's just something that's already slow, having been slowed down more. the fact is that -- >> are you saying this is not a big deal?...
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pakistan has yet to prove which side they are really on. so much so that when osama bin laden was taken out by the american military we did not trust pakistan enough to even tell them that we were going to -- we were going to come into their country. our distrust against that country has been proven over and over again since that date. on may 16 "the wall street journal" reported that over 40% of the money that pakistan requests for reimbursement for military aid is denied by the federal government because those claims are unfounded by the federal government. in one case last year the united states paid millions of dollars to refurbish four helicopters to help pakistan's army transport troops into battle against the taliban. but it turned out that pakistan diverted three of those aircraft to peace keeping duties in sudan prakeses which pakistan receives compensation from the united nations. other claims include a $26 million charge for barbed wire and pickets and $70 million for radar maintenance although there's no enemy air threat related
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did north korea's rush lead it to pakistan? a secret letter that might hold some clues is in the hands of a washington reporter. >>> a court hearing this howard for jared loughner. his doctors say he's dangerous even behind bars. >>> in bring, the popular "news of the world" is done after this sunday, but the investigation is not over, and journalists aren't the only target of investigators. you're in "the situation room." >>> a lot of hard bargaining ahead as the president and congressional leaders try to hammer out a deal on raising the federal debt limit as the august 2nd deadline looms, most parties are firming up their bottom lines. joining me now is senator tom coburn from oklahoma. senator, i know that you have today pentagon with speaker boehner about the republican position, or at least his position going into these debt talks. what can you tell me about where you are now when it comes to the revenue side of this equation? >> well, i think speaker boehner related that everything is on the table. i think it should be. i
did north korea's rush lead it to pakistan? a secret letter that might hold some clues is in the hands of a washington reporter. >>> a court hearing this howard for jared loughner. his doctors say he's dangerous even behind bars. >>> in bring, the popular "news of the world" is done after this sunday, but the investigation is not over, and journalists aren't the only target of investigators. you're in "the situation room." >>> a lot of hard...
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let's remember that the united states for most of the cold war, backed pakistan, not india. the indian foreign policy establishment has a tendency to be in any case a little bit, you know, third world-ish and anti-american in its own ways. and so it's been a long fall in relations between india and the united states, a very -- begun by bill clinton, crucially improved by george w. bush, and now being further improved by president obama and secretary clinton. i think it's still a work in progress. you can see that they have some thorny issues with regard to the nuclear deals, you know, the indians are not being as forthcoming in allowing the american companies to participate in what will be a vast indian market for nuclear energy. and as long as the arrow is moving in the right direction, i think we're probably doing well. when we deal with pakistan, we see all the problems of dealing with a country that is not really a democracy. with india you see all the problems of dealing with a country that is completely a porous, functioning, chaotic democracy, which means the governme
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and pakistan. the government said diplomats will have to apply for special permission to leave and it is an unusual move for countries with open diplomatic relations. >> our top stories around the world in 80 seconds . veit -- viet nam. flames killing 72 people. the cause a welder parking roofing insulation. the material fell and blocked to the floor and trapping workers inside. >> south korea. regions devastated by land slide and rebuilding after days of rain. it is the heaviest downpour in a century. construction crews installeding guard rails in major highways and entire apartment blocks in ruins. australia, locals protesting an american run beauty pageant with contestants two months old. the event sexualizes children. one government official is not to please. >> i feel the mede. >>> and participants say the pageant is harmless. >> uk and zarya philips. queen elizabeth's grand daughter maring the rug bee player . there for the wedding is william and kate. it was not even broadcast on tv. that is
and pakistan. the government said diplomats will have to apply for special permission to leave and it is an unusual move for countries with open diplomatic relations. >> our top stories around the world in 80 seconds . veit -- viet nam. flames killing 72 people. the cause a welder parking roofing insulation. the material fell and blocked to the floor and trapping workers inside. >> south korea. regions devastated by land slide and rebuilding after days of rain. it is the heaviest...
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kashmir is a flash point issue between india and pakistan. the last thing the united states is going to do is get in the middle of that issue because it would just probably anger both sides. matter of fact, there was, you know, there was a nut case argument when the obama administration came in, and people said, well, let's go solve the kashmir issue between india and pakistan, and then they'll both be great allies and help us fight al-qaeda. and, you know, people that know that issue said, what are you nuts? all you're going to do is get both sides angry at you. so the administration has stayed away from that as the bush administration did, you know, kind of like it's poison, and that's probably the right policy. so the notion that this council could actually do much other than, you know, throw a few cocktail parties and actually influence u.s. policy, boy, what a waste of money. jon: all right. jim carafano from the heritage foundation. read more from him on foxnews.com on this topic. jim, thank you. jenna: new developments surrounding oper
kashmir is a flash point issue between india and pakistan. the last thing the united states is going to do is get in the middle of that issue because it would just probably anger both sides. matter of fact, there was, you know, there was a nut case argument when the obama administration came in, and people said, well, let's go solve the kashmir issue between india and pakistan, and then they'll both be great allies and help us fight al-qaeda. and, you know, people that know that issue said,...
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one in afghanistan and the one in pakistan. there's a conflict in pakistan. there isn't a foreign intervention trying to resolve it. it is a great internal conflict. what we are seeing in pakistan is a series of contradictory policies, contradictory engagements and contradictory engagements. the army wants to preserve a stable pakistan that is assured of security and sees the united states as a component of the success in that quest. the military is defective. intelligence service seems to be torn and of course in the country at large, strong fundment list tendencies. it's not a single entity. it's fragmented. we have no choice until we are out of afghanistan to cooperate as much as we can with those pakistanis who see their interest in our success. >> back to the topic of the increasing class and income, we know it's there. you mentioned it's wider now than in country's like china. what do we think about ourselves given the fact people are lining up at the door to live in the united states of america. a lot of people want to live in china. >> there are two g
one in afghanistan and the one in pakistan. there's a conflict in pakistan. there isn't a foreign intervention trying to resolve it. it is a great internal conflict. what we are seeing in pakistan is a series of contradictory policies, contradictory engagements and contradictory engagements. the army wants to preserve a stable pakistan that is assured of security and sees the united states as a component of the success in that quest. the military is defective. intelligence service seems to be...
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and pakistan have hit the bottom line. white house chief of staff william daly confirms usa aid to pakistan is being withheld pending better behavior out of islamabad. >> right now they have taken some steps that give us reason to pause on some of the aid we were giving to their mill tashgs and we're trying to work through that. but until we get through these difficulties, we will hold back some of the money that the american taxpayers have committed to giving them. >> some $800 million. >> yes. >> in advance of tonight's debt-reduction meeting at the white house, the obama administration sent out treasury secretary timothy geithner for yet another red alert about what will happen if p congress fails to raise the debt ceiling. >> no responsible leader would say the united states, for the first time in its history, should not pay its bills and meet its obligations. that would be catastrophic for the economy. everybody understands that. >> senate republican leader mitch mcconnell says he's for a big deal as long as it doesn'
and pakistan have hit the bottom line. white house chief of staff william daly confirms usa aid to pakistan is being withheld pending better behavior out of islamabad. >> right now they have taken some steps that give us reason to pause on some of the aid we were giving to their mill tashgs and we're trying to work through that. but until we get through these difficulties, we will hold back some of the money that the american taxpayers have committed to giving them. >> some $800...